1 00:00:19,811 --> 00:00:26,276 ♪ Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego? ♪ 2 00:00:29,738 --> 00:00:32,323 ♪ Sandiego? ♪ 3 00:00:42,667 --> 00:00:49,667 ♪ Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego? ♪ 4 00:00:57,098 --> 00:00:58,933 The security cameras were down. 5 00:00:59,017 --> 00:01:00,477 Big surprise. 6 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:06,024 Which means all that ACME has to go on, is what you saw with your own two eyes 7 00:01:06,107 --> 00:01:08,818 before Carmen Sandiego locked you up. 8 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:10,570 It was not my proudest moment. 9 00:01:11,154 --> 00:01:14,908 Face it, Devineaux, she's the one who busted Calloway out of jail. 10 00:01:14,991 --> 00:01:18,203 Why else would she have been there in a police station in Reykjavik? 11 00:01:18,286 --> 00:01:20,580 But freeing Monsieur Calloway makes no sense! 12 00:01:20,663 --> 00:01:24,334 Carmen once left him unconscious on a train for Interpol to find. 13 00:01:24,417 --> 00:01:27,670 At the time, you were convinced he was her victim. 14 00:01:27,754 --> 00:01:31,007 Neither theory adds up, considering we possess intel 15 00:01:31,090 --> 00:01:33,551 which suggests that Sandiego and Calloway are… 16 00:01:33,635 --> 00:01:34,635 friendly. 17 00:01:35,470 --> 00:01:39,557 Think outside the box, Devineaux. We need to know Carmen's game. 18 00:01:41,100 --> 00:01:42,477 Yes, we do. 19 00:01:44,354 --> 00:01:46,815 Or I shall lose what little remains of my sanity. 20 00:02:14,884 --> 00:02:16,219 Professor! 21 00:02:16,302 --> 00:02:18,596 Welcome to my home away from home. 22 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,683 It's so rare that I have company pop by. 23 00:02:27,313 --> 00:02:29,482 Ah, "The Queen of the Robots." 24 00:02:30,900 --> 00:02:33,319 I am merely keeping the Crown warm for Cleo. 25 00:02:35,446 --> 00:02:38,616 Roby, you spoil me so. Hot cocoa? 26 00:02:39,117 --> 00:02:43,830 It would clash with the sardines and clam juice I enjoyed on the flight. 27 00:02:43,913 --> 00:02:45,623 And our "guest?" 28 00:02:45,707 --> 00:02:48,042 We have kept him warm for you. 29 00:02:53,715 --> 00:02:54,924 Do you trust me? 30 00:02:56,175 --> 00:02:57,760 Hang on tight, don't let go? 31 00:03:03,558 --> 00:03:04,601 Gray? 32 00:03:06,477 --> 00:03:07,979 It's Graham. 33 00:03:09,397 --> 00:03:11,149 Carmen, I have to know. 34 00:03:11,232 --> 00:03:12,901 Are you a spy? 35 00:03:12,984 --> 00:03:14,152 Something like that. 36 00:03:14,652 --> 00:03:16,696 But we are the good guys? 37 00:03:16,779 --> 00:03:17,947 Absolutely. 38 00:03:29,292 --> 00:03:32,921 I see that you still possess that spark, Mr. Crackle. 39 00:03:33,421 --> 00:03:34,464 Crackle? 40 00:03:35,715 --> 00:03:37,435 Lights out, baby! 41 00:03:38,551 --> 00:03:39,886 Have a seat. 42 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:42,055 Please. 43 00:03:45,558 --> 00:03:47,810 Relax, this won't hurt a bit. 44 00:03:50,271 --> 00:03:51,397 You were there! 45 00:03:51,481 --> 00:03:53,733 You did this to me, messed with my head! 46 00:03:53,816 --> 00:03:56,778 We did what we deemed necessary at the time, 47 00:03:56,861 --> 00:03:58,321 for your own well-being. 48 00:03:58,947 --> 00:04:02,492 And was bringing me here against my will for my own "well-being?" 49 00:04:02,575 --> 00:04:05,286 No. It was for ours. 50 00:04:06,746 --> 00:04:09,958 But we do hope you're finding your accommodations to be cozier 51 00:04:10,041 --> 00:04:12,961 than an Icelandic jail cell. 52 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:14,837 Who are you? 53 00:04:15,463 --> 00:04:20,009 The question we really should be asking is, who are you? 54 00:04:30,353 --> 00:04:34,399 If Bellum's lab in the Himalayas is functioning as her robot's base camp, 55 00:04:34,482 --> 00:04:36,442 I suspect that's where we'll find Gray. 56 00:04:36,526 --> 00:04:37,986 We now have coordinates, 57 00:04:38,069 --> 00:04:40,571 thanks to the satellite images Player gathered. 58 00:04:40,655 --> 00:04:43,908 I have made special arrangements to facilitate your arrival. 59 00:04:47,662 --> 00:04:49,122 Whoa. Sweet! 60 00:04:49,205 --> 00:04:52,000 A high altitude jump will be the most efficient way 61 00:04:52,083 --> 00:04:54,127 of getting you onto the premises undetected. 62 00:04:54,711 --> 00:04:56,713 Since Dr. Bellum's laboratory 63 00:04:56,796 --> 00:04:58,756 is bound to possess state of the art security. 64 00:04:59,257 --> 00:05:01,050 I'll be at a disadvantage without Player, 65 00:05:01,134 --> 00:05:02,927 but he'll be in the middle of a history exam 66 00:05:03,011 --> 00:05:04,387 when I'm ready to touch down. 67 00:05:04,470 --> 00:05:07,640 Yeah. Like he wouldn't love any excuse to get out of that? 68 00:05:07,724 --> 00:05:10,143 Player's already been sent to detention on my account. 69 00:05:10,226 --> 00:05:12,103 And it's only his first week in school. 70 00:05:12,186 --> 00:05:14,105 I can't ask him to skip class. 71 00:05:14,188 --> 00:05:16,524 What if there were no class to skip? 72 00:05:19,944 --> 00:05:23,948 You've taken a keen interest in our vocational school. 73 00:05:24,032 --> 00:05:25,033 That's right, mate. 74 00:05:25,116 --> 00:05:26,993 I want to be successful. 75 00:05:27,076 --> 00:05:29,912 You are currently an electrician at the Sydney Opera House, 76 00:05:29,996 --> 00:05:33,374 on the fast-track for a promotion to Stage Lighting Technician. 77 00:05:33,458 --> 00:05:35,710 Do you not consider that successful? 78 00:05:36,210 --> 00:05:38,963 I feel like my talents can be put to more… 79 00:05:39,589 --> 00:05:40,673 lucrative ends. 80 00:05:40,757 --> 00:05:42,759 Besides, Opera's a bore. 81 00:05:42,842 --> 00:05:48,097 Opera is nectar for the soul, but that is beside the point. 82 00:05:49,599 --> 00:05:52,643 You recruited me into a school for thieves? 83 00:05:52,727 --> 00:05:55,396 You enrolled of your own free will. 84 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,191 You were a practicing criminal when we scouted you. 85 00:05:58,775 --> 00:06:03,154 We simply provided you with the tools to hone your skills. 86 00:06:03,237 --> 00:06:04,363 How did I do? 87 00:06:04,447 --> 00:06:07,825 Top of your class, one of our finest graduates. 88 00:06:08,326 --> 00:06:10,036 Until you fumbled. 89 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:14,207 But we are now offering you a rare second chance 90 00:06:14,290 --> 00:06:16,959 to make good on your former schooling. 91 00:06:22,757 --> 00:06:25,635 When you think of so-called "Ancient" Greek, 92 00:06:25,718 --> 00:06:28,846 you may imagine the writings of the legendary poet Homer, 93 00:06:28,930 --> 00:06:30,723 who wrote The Iliad and The Odyssey. 94 00:06:30,807 --> 00:06:33,935 But the Greek language is far older. 95 00:06:37,396 --> 00:06:39,232 For example, Mycenaean Greek 96 00:06:39,732 --> 00:06:43,694 was etched on clay tablets back in the 13th century, BCE. 97 00:06:56,249 --> 00:06:58,126 Agent Devineaux? 98 00:06:58,209 --> 00:07:00,294 Ms. Argent? 99 00:07:00,378 --> 00:07:01,712 What a coincidence. 100 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:03,965 Is it? 101 00:07:06,884 --> 00:07:09,095 To what do I owe this "coincidence?" 102 00:07:09,178 --> 00:07:12,056 A sudden interest in dull facts and boring things? 103 00:07:13,307 --> 00:07:16,811 Ms. Argent, Julia, since you resigned from ACME, 104 00:07:16,894 --> 00:07:19,480 I have been seeing things quite differently. 105 00:07:19,564 --> 00:07:20,648 Differently how? 106 00:07:21,149 --> 00:07:22,984 Well, as you might see things. 107 00:07:23,067 --> 00:07:26,529 Except, with less clarity. Far less. 108 00:07:26,612 --> 00:07:30,741 As if I wore your eyeglasses, but splattered with mud! 109 00:07:30,825 --> 00:07:32,076 It began in Venice, Italy, 110 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,096 after being assigned a new partner, on a case where... 111 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,789 Agent Devineaux, I do not think it wise for you 112 00:07:36,873 --> 00:07:38,875 to be sharing classified ACME business. 113 00:07:39,709 --> 00:07:43,296 But I need your help, so that I might better assist Carmen. 114 00:07:43,379 --> 00:07:44,672 Is she all right? 115 00:07:44,755 --> 00:07:48,259 Of course, she is all right. She continues to make us chase our tails. 116 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:52,096 Please, Ms. Argent. I must know. 117 00:07:52,180 --> 00:07:55,308 Is the Crimson Ghost bad, or is she good? 118 00:07:56,392 --> 00:07:58,728 That is a complicated question. 119 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,398 One we can discuss over lunch… 120 00:08:02,982 --> 00:08:04,734 Perfect! I am starving! 121 00:08:04,817 --> 00:08:06,611 …next Friday, at noon. 122 00:08:06,694 --> 00:08:08,946 I have three important seminars to prepare for right now. 123 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:10,323 I will meet you here. 124 00:08:10,406 --> 00:08:12,658 Wearing appropriate lunch attire, of course. 125 00:08:17,497 --> 00:08:19,081 What do you see? 126 00:08:19,916 --> 00:08:21,167 Darkness. 127 00:08:22,126 --> 00:08:23,628 And here? 128 00:08:28,049 --> 00:08:29,300 Authority. 129 00:08:30,718 --> 00:08:31,969 And this one. 130 00:08:35,806 --> 00:08:39,101 My code name's Black Sheep. Do you understand? 131 00:08:39,185 --> 00:08:41,896 So take aim and bring the rain. 132 00:08:51,197 --> 00:08:52,907 Gray, no! 133 00:08:55,535 --> 00:08:58,538 Carmen? She was a student too. 134 00:08:58,621 --> 00:09:01,249 But, she's one of the good guys. 135 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:07,421 We prefer not to view the world in black or white, but shades of gray. 136 00:09:08,798 --> 00:09:11,676 Carmen has simply chosen to follow her true nature… 137 00:09:12,718 --> 00:09:14,512 as we follow ours. 138 00:09:23,396 --> 00:09:26,148 And, how did the inkblot testing go? 139 00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:29,235 His psychological profile shows promise. 140 00:09:29,318 --> 00:09:33,906 Though, as expected, the Red Rogue continues to be a hindrance. 141 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:37,368 Do you think it wise that we attempt to reinstate him, then? 142 00:09:37,451 --> 00:09:41,914 Not doing so, might leave him vulnerable to Carmen's influence, 143 00:09:41,998 --> 00:09:44,458 and she would find a way to use him against us. 144 00:09:48,212 --> 00:09:49,922 I'll be at the drop zone in 30 minutes. 145 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:53,676 Then you may find an overview of the environment to be beneficial. 146 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:57,305 The Himalayan Mountains stretch approximately 1,500 miles, 147 00:09:57,388 --> 00:09:59,682 passing through the nations of Afghanistan, 148 00:09:59,765 --> 00:10:03,144 Pakistan, India, China, Nepal, and Bhutan. 149 00:10:03,894 --> 00:10:07,440 They are home to nine of the ten highest mountain peaks in the world, 150 00:10:07,523 --> 00:10:10,151 including the tallest. Mount Everest. 151 00:10:10,234 --> 00:10:13,487 Which rises over 29,000 feet above sea level. 152 00:10:14,238 --> 00:10:18,409 The word Himalayas comes from the ancient Indian language of Sanskrit, 153 00:10:18,492 --> 00:10:20,703 and means "abode of snow". 154 00:10:20,786 --> 00:10:24,915 Even though climates are actually tropical at the base of the mountains 155 00:10:24,999 --> 00:10:29,795 Which unfortunately is not where Dr. Bellum chose to keep a laboratory. 156 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:33,591 The terrain where you are headed is certain to be treacherous. 157 00:10:33,674 --> 00:10:36,218 I need to rescue Gray before VILE can harm him, 158 00:10:36,302 --> 00:10:37,887 or poison his mind with lies. 159 00:10:38,471 --> 00:10:41,223 Or worse yet, tell him the truth. 160 00:10:44,769 --> 00:10:48,689 All right, folks. you'll have the hour to write four short essays. 161 00:10:48,773 --> 00:10:51,400 The first topic I would like you to explore, is… 162 00:10:51,484 --> 00:10:54,320 Oh, yeah. This place is crawling with them. 163 00:10:54,403 --> 00:10:58,824 If you mean students, well, of course, this is a classroom. 164 00:10:59,617 --> 00:11:02,703 We were referring to your infestation. 165 00:11:02,787 --> 00:11:04,622 Infestation of? 166 00:11:04,705 --> 00:11:05,873 - Bees. - Termites. 167 00:11:05,956 --> 00:11:07,166 - Termites. - Bees? 168 00:11:07,958 --> 00:11:11,337 Uh. termite bees. A new strain of hybrid insect. 169 00:11:11,420 --> 00:11:13,923 They sting, and they devour wood. 170 00:11:14,006 --> 00:11:15,758 And they are wicked dangerous. 171 00:11:15,841 --> 00:11:17,718 I mean, we're talking Double Code Red here. 172 00:11:17,802 --> 00:11:19,470 Whoa! They're not kidding. 173 00:11:20,054 --> 00:11:22,431 Termite bees are all over the internet. 174 00:11:31,273 --> 00:11:35,319 It is crucial that you time your landing with pinpoint accuracy. 175 00:11:35,403 --> 00:11:37,530 Deploy your parachute too early, 176 00:11:37,613 --> 00:11:41,033 and the ensuing drift could cause you to miss the target entirely. 177 00:11:41,117 --> 00:11:43,077 I'd have a long climb back to the top. 178 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,329 But open it too late… 179 00:11:45,913 --> 00:11:48,541 I'll have you beat in the broken bones department. 180 00:11:58,342 --> 00:12:01,095 File out in an orderly fashion, people. 181 00:12:01,178 --> 00:12:04,223 You're doing the right thing by evacuating the children, sir. 182 00:12:04,306 --> 00:12:07,101 We'll alert you the moment we locate the nest. 183 00:12:09,061 --> 00:12:10,396 Okay, how bad is it? 184 00:12:10,479 --> 00:12:12,440 Carm needs you. Now. 185 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:16,110 I'll get to work. 186 00:12:23,242 --> 00:12:25,286 Player looks a lot smaller in person. 187 00:12:25,369 --> 00:12:27,621 They say the Internet adds ten pounds. 188 00:12:30,374 --> 00:12:31,792 Great. 189 00:12:32,751 --> 00:12:35,087 Shadowsan, I bumped into some weather. 190 00:12:35,171 --> 00:12:37,923 Visual's compromised. Shadowsan? 191 00:12:40,468 --> 00:12:41,594 Oh, great. 192 00:12:41,677 --> 00:12:43,262 Red, what's up? 193 00:12:43,345 --> 00:12:46,765 Player! I'm up. Though not for long without your help. 194 00:12:46,849 --> 00:12:48,350 Can you track my position? 195 00:12:48,434 --> 00:12:50,603 You're miles high, and falling fast, 196 00:12:50,686 --> 00:12:53,439 and about to rendezvous with the source of a radio signal. 197 00:12:53,522 --> 00:12:54,857 Must be Bellum's lab. 198 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:57,818 I'll need to deploy the moment we align, care to navigate? 199 00:12:57,902 --> 00:12:59,528 I'm guessing you have ten seconds. 200 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:00,612 Start banking right. 201 00:13:01,989 --> 00:13:03,449 Five seconds. 202 00:13:04,074 --> 00:13:07,036 Three, two, one. 203 00:13:07,119 --> 00:13:08,119 Deploy now! 204 00:13:23,344 --> 00:13:25,721 Player, you're the perfect travel companion. 205 00:13:25,804 --> 00:13:28,432 You're just saying that because you never have to buy me a seat. 206 00:14:05,469 --> 00:14:08,639 Now, hear the true name of V.I.L.E. 207 00:14:08,722 --> 00:14:13,727 Villains International League of Evil. 208 00:14:42,381 --> 00:14:46,385 Oh, Roby! Your Queenie wants more cocoa! 209 00:14:52,016 --> 00:14:53,267 You all right there, Red? 210 00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:54,435 Robot crossing. 211 00:14:54,518 --> 00:14:57,187 Which means Gray's definitely in here somewhere. 212 00:14:57,271 --> 00:14:59,023 See any likely holding cells? 213 00:14:59,106 --> 00:15:01,901 You're near the entrance to some sort of subterranean bunker. 214 00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:04,361 Could be storage or a prison. 215 00:15:06,447 --> 00:15:07,448 Come in… 216 00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:09,950 Professor Maelstrom. 217 00:15:10,034 --> 00:15:12,912 Ah, it seems it is all coming back to you. 218 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:15,580 What's this? 219 00:15:16,081 --> 00:15:18,000 Consider it a welcome gift. 220 00:15:18,083 --> 00:15:21,795 Should you choose to accept our invitation, of course. 221 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:24,089 And if I choose not to? 222 00:15:24,173 --> 00:15:27,092 A little tune-up, and you'll be back at the opera. 223 00:15:27,176 --> 00:15:30,763 None the wiser that you and I ever had these chats. 224 00:15:30,846 --> 00:15:34,433 You'd really just let me walk out of here, and return to civilian life? 225 00:15:34,516 --> 00:15:36,852 We did before, didn't we? 226 00:15:40,522 --> 00:15:42,816 Buzz me once you've made a decision. 227 00:15:45,027 --> 00:15:48,238 If he attempts to leave, you know what to do. 228 00:15:57,289 --> 00:15:58,791 - No. - What is it? 229 00:15:58,874 --> 00:16:01,794 Bellum's building an army of robot thieves. 230 00:16:02,378 --> 00:16:07,007 There must be dozens in here. Hundreds maybe, all awaiting activation. 231 00:16:07,091 --> 00:16:09,385 We need to stop her from getting them online. 232 00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:12,805 I think I see a way to make that happen. 233 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:16,225 All right class, roll call. 234 00:16:16,892 --> 00:16:19,436 It'll be a while before he gets to the P's. 235 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,313 - The "P's"? - You know, for "Player." 236 00:16:21,397 --> 00:16:22,815 Mr. Bouchard? 237 00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:32,783 - How very predictable. - But... 238 00:16:32,866 --> 00:16:35,786 You really need to unglue yourself from your screen once in a while, 239 00:16:35,869 --> 00:16:39,039 before you wind up isolated with no idea of the world around you 240 00:16:41,750 --> 00:16:43,711 - Whoa! Bro? - I did it. 241 00:16:44,211 --> 00:16:46,463 I mastered the Ninja Pressure Point Pinch. 242 00:16:47,214 --> 00:16:48,716 I am so expelled. 243 00:17:06,775 --> 00:17:08,652 Gray? We have to move. 244 00:17:08,736 --> 00:17:09,945 The name is… 245 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:11,447 Graham. I know. I know. 246 00:17:12,114 --> 00:17:13,449 No. 247 00:17:15,617 --> 00:17:17,161 It's Crackle. 248 00:17:18,746 --> 00:17:21,415 I assume you prefer I continue to call you "Carmen"? 249 00:17:22,249 --> 00:17:25,586 Gray, no matter what they told you, you're not that guy anymore. 250 00:17:26,587 --> 00:17:30,591 But I am that guy. I've always been that guy. 251 00:17:30,674 --> 00:17:34,428 No. Sydney, the cafe, we're the good guys, remember? 252 00:17:35,804 --> 00:17:38,015 When you finally had that cuppa with me. 253 00:17:38,724 --> 00:17:42,102 Being good only mattered to me because Bellum rewired my thinking, 254 00:17:42,186 --> 00:17:45,230 programmed me, to be some sort of "innocent fool." 255 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:48,025 It's never too late to change. 256 00:17:48,609 --> 00:17:52,071 I've had time to reflect, piece together the fragments. 257 00:17:52,613 --> 00:17:56,200 And there's only one thing I've ever regretted doing for VILE. 258 00:18:01,497 --> 00:18:02,664 Trying to hurt you. 259 00:18:06,001 --> 00:18:07,795 I know you won't come back to VILE. 260 00:18:07,878 --> 00:18:10,214 We've had that chat, on the train to Paris. 261 00:18:10,923 --> 00:18:13,634 But I'm begging you, give up trying to stop us, 262 00:18:14,259 --> 00:18:17,679 because I don't ever want to be put in a position to hurt you again. 263 00:18:23,018 --> 00:18:24,186 Then, apologies. 264 00:18:24,269 --> 00:18:26,396 Because I won't stop trying to take down VILE. 265 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,480 Not ever. 266 00:18:28,982 --> 00:18:30,734 And definitely not now. 267 00:18:45,249 --> 00:18:46,542 Goodbye, Gray. 268 00:18:57,719 --> 00:19:02,933 My babies! Years of work, destroyed! 269 00:19:03,016 --> 00:19:04,351 Cleo's Crown! 270 00:19:05,185 --> 00:19:07,062 Get her! 271 00:19:20,117 --> 00:19:23,662 Give me that crown! 272 00:19:23,745 --> 00:19:25,164 Not in the mood, doctor! 273 00:20:55,003 --> 00:20:59,883 I take your still being here as a sign that you have chosen your side? 274 00:21:09,101 --> 00:21:10,352 Hey, wait! 275 00:21:18,777 --> 00:21:20,696 So, how is school going? 276 00:21:22,155 --> 00:21:24,157 Actually, today was my last day. 277 00:21:24,741 --> 00:21:26,868 - No. You weren't expel... - No. 278 00:21:26,952 --> 00:21:28,287 My parents totally freaked 279 00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:30,622 when they heard about my school's bug problem. 280 00:21:30,706 --> 00:21:32,666 They decided home-schooling was safer. 281 00:21:32,749 --> 00:21:33,959 Go figure. 282 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:35,960 What is it? 283 00:21:36,837 --> 00:21:40,257 You just look taller than I thought you would in person. 284 00:21:45,387 --> 00:21:48,807 You didn't come here just to celebrate retrieving a stolen crown 285 00:21:48,890 --> 00:21:50,976 and destroying a robot army, did you? 286 00:21:52,894 --> 00:21:55,272 Just felt the need to connect with my other oldest friend 287 00:21:55,355 --> 00:21:56,398 from my school days. 288 00:21:57,399 --> 00:22:00,360 Don't worry, Red. I'm not going anywhere. 289 00:22:00,944 --> 00:22:01,987 I know. 290 00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:12,497 The catacomb was newly discovered, after the recent earthquakes. 291 00:22:13,290 --> 00:22:16,335 It looks to be completely undisturbed. 292 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:18,837 Who knows what it may hold?